In episode 4, Drs. Brandy Liebscher and Danielle Beck grapple with the reality of a Trump presidency. They share their own emotional turmoil in the wake of this election, mindful of the fear, pain, and anger of those already vulnerable and marginalized in the United States. They also discuss their resolve to support white people who are committed to anti-racism and racial justice and what that means for the Facing Ourselves podcast. And if you're worried about those upcoming conversations with friends and family at Thanksgiving, they got you covered there, too.

If you haven’t already, be sure to check out Brandy’s article about the importance of "repurposed space" for white people committed to racial justice.

For support and guidance on moving forward, including how to handle those difficult conversations at Thanksgiving, be sure to check out these resources:

Brittany Packnett's article White People: What is your plan for the Trump presidency?

Southern Poverty Law Center's Speak Up: Responding to Everyday Bigotry

Showing Up for Racial Justice Thanksgiving discussion guide

PICO National Network (multi-faith community organizing)

In episode 3, Drs. Brandy Liebscher and Danielle Beck interview Erina Kim-Eubanks, a Korean-American minister serving in Northern California. Erina talks about a trip she took this summer with a group of clergy to Ferguson, MO. During this trip the clergy participated in a protest at The Muny (St. Louis) in solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement. She talks about how this experience impacted her personally, the importance of protest and disruption, as well as the roles we each can play in the work of racial justice.

Read more about Erina's experience in Ferguson here.